Hair Wellness: The Natural Way with Roland Peralta - Founder of Nutrafol

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Dr. Anil Shah:

Welcome everyone. I am super honored, uh, to have, uh, founder one of the founders of, of Nutrafol on here. So, uh, Roland Peralta, uh, he's an entrepreneur and, uh, the board biohacker, you know, a lot of this are throwing this word around, uh, and he is a biohacker before there were biohackers. And it's interesting how his hair health has tied with his own, um, personal health. And, uh, just like many of us, uh, Rolands kind of had thought there was an alternative way, a better way of doing things. So kind of on his own, he, he came up with this, this way of treating his rheumatoid arthritis and rather than taking some of these medications, uh, like steroids, which, which my dad took and had lots of side effects, including, um, eating hip replacements and other issues. Um, he actually took it upon himself to kind of use, um, things from the plant and botanical world. Um, and from this it's usually from our own personal insights and per own personal kind of battles. We come up with these, this imposition, this drive to really make something successful. And that's, what's really been divorced behind neutrophil. Uh, and this company went from a startup to, I think it's, uh, 30 million in 2016, um, in sales. And I have no idea what is in 2018, but I'm sure it's, it's, it's a monster above that. Right.

Roland Peralta:

It's, it's a monster. Yeah, yeah, we, yeah.

Dr. Anil Shah:

And then you, you've been kind of all over the world in, uh, you know, the hair care industry. Um, you've been, uh, with the luxury brand anti-aging brands, Julian far hair care. So you've kind of, uh, been all over in this hair world and this kind of botanical background. I was reading a little bit about your, um, your parents being in, in the world of, uh, you know, botanical health and kind of tying this all together. It kind of makes this nice synthesis of this, this beautiful product

Roland Peralta:

That's right.

Dr. Anil Shah:

Um, and so, um, and now you're this driving force and you're, you're putting this, this new, uh, uh, new type of product where you're kind of combining, uh, the roles of science in traditional medicine with, um, kind of these, these other area medicines, which are really, um, people are really appealing to Eastern medicine. And, uh, I IBI medicine. I can never say that word by the way. Um, in herbal medicines, all this kind of coming together and, um, and in the forefront with, uh, with neutrophil, which is an amazing product, which I use every day

Roland Peralta:

And, and your hair reflects it, your hair looks good, Dr. Shaw.

Dr. Anil Shah:

Um, it's my real, mostly, no, it's not big. So, um, so interesting story. So, uh, we kind of know a little bit of background about Nutri fall, um, but in the ingredient process. So I'm gonna kind of go back about that. I mean, so your personal story is amazing. Um, so, uh, talked about rheumatoid arthritis. Um, so this ingredient pro and how you overcame, uh, some of this aspects and you've been symptom free for how long

Roland Peralta:

I, I would almost seven years. So, and, and as you know, uh, the, the options available are biologics like N bra Humira. Uh, they do have some side effects long term. Uh, they haven't been around long enough obviously to understand the real long term implications of using them. But, uh, when you, as a biohacker and, and you, when you dive under the hood, you and, and understand what these biologics do, you can essentially reverse engineer and look for, uh, similarity in botanicals botanicals have been around since the beginning of time and our ancestors used plants to heal. And so obviously in the last hundred or so years, we have away from the use of botanicals, uh, developing drugs that are very, uh, focused. They mono target specific receptors, the specific genes, um, but botanicals have this incredible capacity to multi target. There there's a synergy that you can find in nature and not this necessarily, uh, in using, uh, pharmaceutical drugs.

Roland Peralta:

So when I was looking for answers for my rheumatoid arthritis, and if you know, your dad has, uh, has RA he's waking up with morning, stiffness, you wake up in the morning and you feel like you've been hit by a truck, and you're essentially disabled. Your feet are hot and you step to out on your feet, impossible to, to have a normal day. Um, so when I reverse engineered what these biologics did, it turns out that Corin, which is an extract. So Corman is a, is a hero, uh, plant in ive medicine it's been used forever in culture. Uh, they'll sprinkle turmeric on everything. Of course, the problem with turmeric is that it's not bioavailable. And so it's very difficult for the body to actually ingest it.

Dr. Anil Shah:

It smells, I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm,

Roland Peralta:

I love the smell. I, I,

Dr. Anil Shah:

Oh, it's, it's, it's a very distinct smell that if I, uh, cook too much Indian food, it's, it's overpowers a kitchen. So yeah, beyond the, yeah, exactly.

Roland Peralta:

You probably have to put a little more, so you get over that, that, uh, but, uh, so it turns out not to get too technical, but it turns out that these biologics that were being used successfully to treat rheumatoid arthritis are TNF, blockers, TNF, alpha blockers, right. It turns out that Corin has the ability to block TNF alpha. And so after two months of using this, and I found a paper in the literature that, that identified Corin as a potential therapeutic for treating RA, but there was isn't enough evidence, the, uh, the cohort wasn't large enough. So the authors concluded, it looks promising. Somebody should look at it, but no, no conclusion can be made from this basically. Right. So I took it upon myself to begin to, to use Corman in lieu of using Humira umbrella at these are also very expensive drugs. Um, and it worked within four or five weeks.

Roland Peralta:

I began, I, I began seeing that I was symptom free. So having morning stiffness, uh, throughout my body that began to subside within two months, I found my cure. I found my medicine in, in Corin, and I was using a, a particular brand that, um, reconstituted the powder in the oil. So it made it more bio available. So it, it essentially was doing what, um, folks in Indian culture doing where they're cooking their Corin and GI butter to make it more bio available. So within two months I was symptom free and I thought it was too good to be true. And I continued with that program. I was taking six pills a day. These are big fat pills. And obviously by any standard, that's a lot of pills to ingest. People would you'll end up getting pill fatigue, but the choice was an injection of a biologic into my body or six pills of delicious, healthy Corman that has other wonderful side benefits to it. Uh, and so that was really the beginning of, of my understanding. There are answers in the literature. If you dive a little deeper, you can actually find solutions that are not necessarily being with you by your physician. Um, so you, you have to take it upon yourself to do that kind of homework.

Dr. Anil Shah:

And it's interesting that, um, that's actually gravitated to, even to the NIH where Cookman has actually been studied, I think, in over 40 different trials. Um, so it's, it's interesting that that world it's really come a long way and it's, it's sensed a whole nother level of credibility. I think the other thing that's interesting with botanicals is the botanicals. Like this is something you can't just, you know, find a plant and work with it. You have to process it to a level that it's, you know, it's, it's kind of clinical grade, correct. I think a lot of people, you can actually look at the doses. And I think that's the thing that a lot of people don't realize that, Hey, guess what, let me just buy this product from, I don't know, whole foods that I have no idea what's in it, but I'll take it. It has it on there. So many of these products are cross contaminated with so many things. Um, uh, I'll give you an example of a patient we had for surgery, where she thought she was taking a weight loss supplement, and it was cross contaminated with like ging and all these blood thinners. And she almost, she had a, you know, she had a lot more bleeding than we thought, oh,

Roland Peralta:

That's right. So yes. So you're, you're, you're what you're sharing with me now is, is essentially the definition of nutraceuticals, right? And that's really the, the birth of, of, uh, neutrophil. We identified, um, ingredients that have been used in VEIC medicine, but have been evolved to next generation using, uh, biotechnology to extract very specific phyto actives, and then essentially standardizing it. Right? So for example, we use aganda another hero ingredient in ive medicine used for thousands of years to lower stress hormones. And so in the, in the medical world, when we, we once did a survey with McKinsey, the big consulting firm, and one of the number one reasons why women believe they're losing their hair, it's stress. They believe that that's the primary reason why they're losing hair, not genes, not hormones, but stress, uh, in particular. So when we, um, when we developed neutrophil, we saw the white space was using highly standardized nutraceuticals to target very specific pathways that were essentially being ignored by, uh, the medical community by the pharmaceutical industry.

Roland Peralta:

And we said, well, if stress is at the root of hair loss, what's at the root of, of, uh, stress and, and elevated cortisol is at the root of stress. So we were lucky. We, we developed a relationship with a company that you, they conducted 12 double blinded, randomized, placebo controlled studies on their standardized GaN. And in one of the studies at the university of Ohio, they were able to demonstrate that within 60 days of use, uh, because it's not a magic pill, right. Botanicals don't necessarily work right away, but they eventually bring your body back to homeostasis. They were able to prove that they were able to lower elevated cortisol and chronically stressed adults by as much as 35%. That's very significant. It's different. Uh, it's, it's, it's a game changer. So, and that, of course, when you have elevated cortisol, that becomes a, an endocrine disruptor, suddenly it impacts how your thyroid hormone is being produced, potentially it ultimately leading to hypothyroidism, uh, under, under functioning thyroid.

Roland Peralta:

And that obviously complicates, um, so many things across the board. So we were, as, as biohackers, we were reverse engineering. Let's where is the problem? What's at the root of that problem? And can we use nature? Can we use these standardized nutraceuticals to target tho those specific, uh, markers that we were targeting? So, for us, it was really important to have clinical evidence of efficacy and, and most importantly, to use clinically efficacious dosages. So what differentiated us from our competitors is that people will put a sprinkle of a DHT blocker for example, and make a claim that, uh, SA Palmetto is used, has been used to block D HT, but the studies show that you need 640 milligrams in powder form 320 milligrams in oil. So if you have anything less than that, you're not complying with the literature. Essentially, you're just making a marketing claim, throwing a sprinkle in and borrowing science. And that that's really where I believe physicians have have our challenge in accepting how realist, how viable is a natural, uh, ingredient, right? A natural product to, to address a specific condition, right? Clinically efficacious dosages, um, abiding by studies found in the literature. Good credible studies is, is a, is the first departure point in determining whether something actually works.

Dr. Anil Shah:

And I, I always, I, I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said over there. And I think one of the hardest things I have with patients is explaining everything that's in neutrophil, because sometimes they're like, well, what is neutrophil? Because I think people like a one, one word answer. And when I start talking about Neol, I end up talking I'm maybe you can do it better than I can, but I end up talking for like five minutes or 10 minutes about all the things that are. And I think a lot of it, if there's anything I have comment on is on the back of the label, it doesn't even like tell you everything that's in it, because I think to truly understand what's in neutro fall. Uh, I think some of your podcasts in the back, like when you've talked, uh, on Bulletproof radio, um, it kind of explains a lot of the detail and the thought process and how meticulously, uh, sourced your, um, your ingredients were the thought process behind everything.

Dr. Anil Shah:

So I think somehow that, um, if you just look at the back of it, sometimes patients they're like, uh, looks like a vitamin I'm like, no, no, no. It's way, way more than a vitamin. Let me explain this. Let's kinda go in there. So let's talk about some of these ingredients. Cause I want my patients to listen to this. I want other patients to, to hear this. Um, so some of the things that I think are things that people don't even realize, um, for, for example, I love the chelation properties, you know, getting rid of the aluminum and mercury. Um, and again, that's such a hot topic. Now, lots of other people are starting to copy that. I'm seeing that on the market. I'm not gonna name other, but they're starting to add that. Not necessarily for hair, but overall wellness.

Roland Peralta:

Yes.

Dr. Anil Shah:

And so the seek help, let's talk about the seek help.

Roland Peralta:

That's a great question. I'm impressed that you actually even know, uh, about seek kelp and, and the role it plays. So, so to answer your, your overall questions, people say, what is neutrophil? And so we say that we, we were the first to market to use standardized nutraceuticals derived from botanical. So we isolate very specific phytochemicals from botanicals in specific concentrations that have evidence of efficacy and targeting markers. And so what are those markers? So we target, um, the ingredients, target inflammation and people under, uh, how inflammation, uh, triggers or causes hair loss contributes to it. So we, we understand that we live in an environment where we're constantly producing inflammatory, uh, conditions and, and, uh, some of us micro inflammation and some macro right. Leading to obesity, diabetes, et cetera. Right. So, but micro inflammation is just a we're walking, we're walking time bombs. We're, you know, we're

Dr. Anil Shah:

Coming Chicago. Yeah, exactly,

Roland Peralta:

Exactly. So of course, if you have a genetic predisposition, then that, that those events are essentially the trigger that it pulls the gun, right? So, so the, we say inflammation changes the signaling molecules that control the hair growth cycle. So in the presence of inflammation, those signals that actually signal hair cycles to remain an antigen are altered. There's a disruption in the signaling, same way of cell phones, trying to communicate with a cell tower. It's a weak signal. You're not able to communicate. You have to lower info to essentially improve signaling. The second marker that we target is the elevated cortisol. How do we lower, uh, stress, hormones, uh, cortisol. And again, some of us may think we're not stressed out, but in fact, uh, we even use the term micro stress levels, right? Where you're just like that hum like that cumulative effect of the inappropriate response, the, the inappropriate flight or flight response to a, a bus honking his horn or some guy yelling at another guy in a car across the street. And that,

Dr. Anil Shah:

Yeah, who's not stressed out. Exactly.

Roland Peralta:

You're gonna get you get stressed out. So you produce that, that micro response to it, that stress response and that it just cumulates over time. So again, once again, it's just a matter of time before you are stressed.

Dr. Anil Shah:

And, and, and I love explaining that to my patients, how, you know, when your body's stressed, um, it puts all this nutrients and actually, um, it's gonna put it towards heart and your lungs. And the first thing, it doesn't care about

Roland Peralta:

His hair.

Dr. Anil Shah:

Here we go.

Roland Peralta:

Hair is the first thing. So hair is hair follicles are mini organs, right? And that is mother nature says heart liver, the priority deprioritize the hair follicle organ because it's not involved in, in, in survival, the survival mechanism. Right? So, and, and people don't just stand that they don't quite connect those dots. So the other marker that we target is D HT, uh, D HT, um, is, is a, is a byproduct of testosterone production. As you know, it con when testosterone converts the DHT, it's a simple little enzyme that allows that conversion DHT contributes to the mineralization of hair follicles, where people talk about it more prevalent in men, that that is ultimately what triggers, um, the top typical hair loss in men, androgen alopecia. But in fact, as women get older over 40, 45, they start producing higher levels of testosterone, which converts to DHT. So we're using a natural ingredient. And as you know, Propecia has a similar mechanism of action. It targets the enzyme, uh, that converts the, allows the conversion of testosterone to DHT. So we use a natural plant indigenous to, uh, the state of Florida that is harvested once a year. And we, we use a cold press technology to extract it so that it's standardized to greater than 45% fatty acids, an effective DHT blocker, dozens of study in the literature that show the efficacy of, um, of soft Palmetto as an effective DHT blocker.

Dr. Anil Shah:

Well, but, and I think there's a, it's a couple studies that you've quoted in the past. I mean, the, the, the, uh, one of the questions patients ask is if we're talking about soft Palmetto right now, soft Palmetto, uh, versus Propecia, I think of it as Propecia. I mean, do they work? They both work Propecia. The problem is Propecia is it's going to inhibit at your sex drive in some pollsters saw Palmetto is actually used as an ADAC. Very good. Give me a choice. So, and guess I'm a former, I'll raise my hand, I'm a former Propecia user. So, um, and that aspect of it, I can talk you about my experience that in a little bit, but we'll, we'll kind of dive into the salt Palmetto. Um, it's interesting when they isolate salt Palmetto and some of, of the active ingredients in it, and not to dive too much into basic science, they've actually found in some studies that it's actually stronger than Propecia in some mouse models. So it's interesting that, you know, where it works, how it works. It's, I don't think it's, it's effectiveness and hair is questioned and it's just getting that delivery product. So it's, it's an valuable product, a valuable ingredient having it processed the right way. Again, it's all kind of in that, in the neutral fall aspect of it. Uh, so I'm a big fan of, uh, soft MEO. Um, that's great. And, uh, the studies support it more than me being a big fan of it. The study support it being effective. Um,

Roland Peralta:

That's great. I'm, I'm happy to hear that you are supportive. We actually have, um, uh, we found papers in the literature that show because it's natural, there's there, and there are synergistic properties that SA Palmetto can actually bind to the, to the five alpha receptor preventing DHT from binding to the receptor Pria. Doesn't do that. It only blocks the enzyme. So if there's, if there's a byproduct or, or, or, or free D HT, you have the potential, it has the potential to have additional, uh, preventative, uh, uh, properties in blocking that binding,

Dr. Anil Shah:

Which is interesting. And if I talk about my Propecia use in the past, so I I've, um, you know, hair's been, always been an important part of me and I've, um, I've had some hair recession, I've had a hair transplant. I do hair transplant in my office, and I, I did it with artists. Um, but, um, it's, um, that aspect of it, I used Propecia and I, I don't know if I felt like Propecia was kind of like causing all this hair growth. And when I did it, I tried it first. I stopped it cause thought maybe I was having some symptoms, not physical, but it's sort of kinda like, you know, am I having less energy? I did it and said, screw it. I'm just gonna take it. And, uh, you know, whatever happens happens. And, um, I stopped, I, what I did is I kind of weed myself with Propecia, believe it or not with neutrophil.

Dr. Anil Shah:

So what I did is I started taking one or two tablets of neutrophil with Propecia, and then I would start to miss a day of Propecia and kind of keep adding more neutro ball to it. And then what I would do is you sort of, again, I, I have the advantage of having trio, so I was kind of looking at my hair. Oh, that's great. Um, I would look at my minis. I would kind of, I, I think shedding for me is really hard to kind of quantify because it's sort of like tough to tell, you know, some people can really have a good sense of that, but sheddings a normal process of hair. So I was kind of looking at my mid minis, kind of quantifying my hair as I was going along. And then what I noticed was, um, when I switched completely to neutro fall, which has been, uh, I think it's going on 10 months, 11 months.

Dr. Anil Shah:

Um, I did not have, like, I was worried about all this hair, shedding, nothing happened my hair, actually, if anything, my hair, I do a lot of stuff feel, but my hair, if anything is fuller, um, and it looks, I mean, it's pretty full. I mean, it's pretty hard to see some seafood, um, and you can see pictures of me on all, all over the place. Um, but what I noticed when I was taking Propecia was it's sort of like when, when I stopped, I felt so much, like there was kind of like this little break on, on my energy, like this little break that I didn't notice this little break on my mood. Um, and when I stopped, I felt so much better. Like this little weight was lifted. And, um, so, and I'm pretty active kind of all over the place, but

Roland Peralta:

I I'm, I'm super happy to hear that there was, there was a, uh, there was a, a terrible incident in France where they attributed a suicide to a young man who was used, and he believed that it led to him having suicidal tendencies leading to depression. So it's not surprising the, all of these anti, uh, fide organizations that exist today are, are really, uh, uh, bringing forth the research and all of these anecdotal papers on the downside of using fide. Right.

Dr. Anil Shah:

And, and for some, so if my patients ask me about Propecia, if they're pre having kids, because Propecia is only an option for our users, it's only an option for men. Women can't even use it. So if they're pre having kids, it's not, I don't say don't do it because the option with this is who knows what's gonna happen. We're finding right now that older are men, maternal men who are over, like over the age of 50 and 60 and 70, their sperm quality it's even affected by their environment's being affected by drugs, being by alcohol. So Propecia affects your hormone. So what's that gonna do to your, to your offspring? So to me, that's, that's a, a non starter. So I started after kids. I don't want my patients taking it pre-kids because who knows what's gonna happen? What are the long term effects?

Roland Peralta:

I agree. I agree

Dr. Anil Shah:

If you're going to take it definitely after kids, then I think the sweet spot again, if you're gonna take it, it's only men without physical side effects who are gonna have some pro issues who are gonna be, I, I put it plus 50, um, because that's the, that's the aspect of it, but they have to, again, me personally, I don't like taking medications. It's not something for me. It's not, but if my me patients want to take it, they've taken in the past, I'm okay with it, but it's not something I do personally. So that's, that's how I do.

Roland Peralta:

Interesting. No, and I appreciate that, that perspective. So we have a, there's a stuff done on the ashwaganda that we have, we use in neutrophil, uh, and ours is standardized to 10% with ly. So that one of the most potent parts of that plant are the withi group. And so we have a, uh, our ours is standardized 10%. So there was a study. They where they, they tested men, Andrew pause, and they showed using, um, GaN standardized 10% Lys over 90 days improved the sperm quality. Oh, wow. So the motility and the quality significantly. So the conclusion was older men who are planning on having kids who wanna improve sperm quality should be taken aganda. And of course we understand the mechanism of action is likely elevated cortisol leads to compromising all systems in the human body. Um, so yeah, so for whatever it's worth, uh, aganda could be the antidote to having compromised sperm quality after perpe use. Exactly. You could do a, you could do a clinical study on that.

Dr. Anil Shah:

I love it actually. Interesting thing about Agon. So, um, so I'm, I'm the, um, only neutrophil user in my house. I have kids three kids and my wife has, she has her own hair story. And, uh, and so, um, but that she couldn't join us tonight. Um, kids, sorry. Um, but, um, it's interesting that when every sick in the household, I don't get sick and I'm attributed to the aganda, um,

Roland Peralta:

And the Corin. So, so you bring up a really good point. So, uh, when we first started, uh, marketing neutrophil, as a side note, we would say, think of it as a powerful anti-aging supplement because, um, there are, are ingredients and going back to the sea kelp, which we never answered that question, but, uh, one of your primary, uh, uh, goals in eating, uh, uh, greens and fruit and maintaining a healthy diet is to actually improve antioxidant production, right? And so antioxidants like glutathione, that's the mother of all antioxidants. The, these are, these are, uh, uh, antioxidants that improve the immune system, right? So, so the Corin improves your immune system because it leads to glutathione, uh, increased production of glutathione, uh, catalyst enzymes, uh, sods GaN improves glutathione production, C kelp improves glutathione production. And you need glutathione to ex to Keate metals like mercury aluminum from the liver.

Roland Peralta:

So anything that increases glutathione per leads to more optimized liver conditions, right? And so liver plays a critical role in hair growth, and people don't understand how important the liver is. So we, as a company have introduced this systems wide approach. We can no longer look at the hair follicle as an isolated organ, but rather it's the relationship of the liver to the, her follicle. What's the relationship of the adrenals to the, her follicle, to what's the relationship of the gut to the, her follicle, to thyroid, to the, her follicle. So we, we have, we now understand that thyroid hormone is actually converted in the liver. So, so if you have a suboptimal liver, because you have mercury, you have, um, uh, lead your, your hair will suffer. One of, one of the ways that that, that, that works is that selenium is, is critical for converting the T4 hormone into the beauty hormone.

Roland Peralta:

T3, if have metals in your body, selenium is necessary to bind to, to mercury. So to Keate mercury from the liver, you have to have a good abundance of selenium. The problem is, is that it's, it's been depleted in our soil. So our food supply is now deficient of many micro nutrients, critical for lots of, uh, cellular function, including hair. So the body says, I have to choose between removing the mercury from the liver or contributing to the conversion of T4 to T3, to promote the beauty hormone. It's clearly we, uh, it's survival of the fittest, the body chooses to focus on Keating. The mercury of course, mercury is now a, a problem because it's it's. So it's heavily, uh, found in our oceans, uh, big fish, like tuna and shark accumulate mercury eventually gets into our bodies. Uh, if you have amalgams from procedures, uh, as a child and

Dr. Anil Shah:

This it's unavoidable. Yeah.

Roland Peralta:

It's unavoidable. So, yeah. So, uh, um, so it's important to have ingredients that help boost immune system help to Keate help contribute to healthy thyroid function.

Dr. Anil Shah:

And I think the aluminum component is probably underestimated as well, because there's only one exactly to

Roland Peralta:

Deodorants.

Dr. Anil Shah:

And I, I think there's only one ingredient that actually is an anti per and that's aluminum, um, is nothing else that works. I know that some people talk about natural deodorants. I don't know if they work. So the problem is twofold. You can either do something. I I'm a facial plastic surgeon. So I did a radio frequency to my under arm. Right. So I don't sweat as much, but occasionally I still wear anti per print because if I sweat a little too much, I mean, I got rid of most of my sweat if I struggled a little bit. Um, but your only alternative is either to do something with radio frequency or mirror dry or sweat, which most people don't wanna do or aluminum and

Roland Peralta:

Right. So, so, so, yeah, so, so I use, uh, I use, I used to use, uh, slices of fresh lemon, which is, uh, antibacterial antimicrobial. And I would rub the lemon under my armpits and I would be good for three days. So I wouldn't have any musty smell for three days, but of course, if you ran out of lemons, you would leave home and head to the office. And by the end of the day, you're a little musty or right. Uh, Dr. Kogan who's who's here at neutrophil introduced me to these Thai salt crystals. These are these sticks that you buy. I buy it on Amazon, uh, six bucks, natural salt crystals in a, in a, uh, uh, tubular shape. You put it under the water and it kills the odor works as a, an anti deodorant, but not an anti per sprint. You still smell you still sweat, but you sweat with no smell. So that that's the trade

Dr. Anil Shah:

Offs me is if I wear like a t-shirt or something like that, I just don't like having the stain. I

Roland Peralta:

Know.

Dr. Anil Shah:

I know. So I'm, uh, and, um, the next thing that happens is then I have, you have a choice of either having the stains. If you wear the anti pers sprint, you have the green mark that no dry cleaner in the world can get out. And so I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna fry that part. But Illumina, it's kind of an inevitable part. Mercury's inevitable part. So if you don't, Keate it, and again, everyone who says they're not having metal, they think about that. There's always an aha moment. Like Amma. I do that. I do that. Yeah. I probably have that in my body. And what are you doing to get rid of it? That's

Roland Peralta:

Exactly right.

Dr. Anil Shah:

Nothing.

Roland Peralta:

Right. So we, uh, we did a very interesting experiment. We, in the last two plus years, we've conducted over 3000 case studies using hair samples that we send to a lab. The lab uses, uh, inter couping plasma spectrometry, a mass SPECT device that can analyze the forensic laboratories, use these devices. And so they can analyze the hair and we can see, uh, at levels, what level of mercury is in your body based on how that mercury is being excreted from the body. So the hair essentially absorbs it. So hair is like, as a measure of time, uh, like a tree trunk, right? We see aluminum. So of the 3000 case to that, we did, we had a little over 65% of our cases all had toxic level levels of mercury. Wow. So outside the normal range of acceptable, right. And so all of those people were, we recommended that they start using botanicals to help Keate these metal from, from their body. Um, so we actually came out with a liver liver cleanse recently as part of our, um, systems-wide approach where we're using milk fizzle, uh, and other wonderfuls that actually are known to bind to metals and help Keate them from the body. Very, very important part of, of being proactive and maintaining a preventative approach to, to healthy hair growth, cycling.

Dr. Anil Shah:

Beautiful, beautiful.

Roland Peralta:

It's really exciting. Yeah.

Dr. Anil Shah:

Um, and so some of the products, so we talked about C CCAL already, I think a little bit. Yeah. Ash, Uganda, Ash,

Roland Peralta:

Uganda.

Dr. Anil Shah:

I go, we talked about CIN. Um, we talked about, there is bio in there, correct?

Roland Peralta:

There is. Right. And it's funny because

Dr. Anil Shah:

I was gonna go up a little bit because there was a podcast and there was a paper that talked about bio. Um, I, I, the one issue, the only patients we have that don't take Nu aside from patients who under 18 pregnant, now that aspect are, are patients who've had. And I don't think it's a real allergy. So we have patients who said, you know what? I tried bio in the past and I have this really weird reaction. And then they name, uh, breakouts, they'll name some flushing. Some, it just didn't work well with them. And so unfortunately at that point, they're like, well, I don't, I don't wanna take it because it has biotech in it. And my thought is, they've either taken high dose of it. Right. They've gone too high in that. Um, or it's been cross-contaminated with something else. Uh, but that being said, um, the bio element it's quote, unquote, known for hair and nails, but that being said, um, uh, your thoughts on the bio element, that's the, we

Roland Peralta:

Get some, it's such a great question. So when we did this McKinsey survey, uh, the, the majority of the consumers believed that biotin was in the top three, uh, products that would help save their hair and contribute to hair growth and stop hair loss. Right. Uh, last year, Dr. Jerry Shapiro, do you know Dr. Shapiro at NYU?

Dr. Anil Shah:

Uh, I was at NYU way back in, uh, yeah, I don't really know him that well

Roland Peralta:

Now, so he's a Canadian, uh, uh, hair loss researcher. He's published over 150 articles. Oh, wow. All related to hair biology. And he and his team did a meta in the literature on bio and the conclusion, this was published in the journal of drugs and dermatology. And the conclusion they came to was that biotin, uh, is nothing less than a media infatuation that spun out of control. Uh, and it made its way into medicine. So today I understand that residents in medical school are still being told to prescribe 5,000 micrograms of bio to women with hair loss, because it's not gonna hurt them. And because we don't have much else that we can give them, hopefully that's changed in the last couple of years. But what we do know is that bio is, is a very, very small, uh, components for a solution. In other words, you can develop a product without biotin, uh, that would work.

Roland Peralta:

Uh, but the conservative believes that it works. It contributes to the synthesis of certain proteins to help process collagen, right. But nobody has a bio deficiency. It, it worked in a mouse study that had, uh, a defective gene that wasn't producing biotin. So as soon as they replaced it, hair grew back and they said, oh, that must be, uh, what's triggering hair loss. That was in the fifties. I think. So bio is a myth. And, and we, as a company, we're trying to that myth and, and say, biotin alone will do nothing for you. It's important that you have a comprehensive formulation that targets the cortisol hormone, the inflammation, um, the oxidative stress, uh, boosts the immune system, those and, and the, and the micronutrients.

Dr. Anil Shah:

Yeah. And I, I think that I, I agree with you and I don't think in 99.9, nine, nine, 9% of people, biotin is not harmful. And in the past aspect of it is, um, it's, it's not conclusive what it does. And that aspect, the other ingredients that are surrounding the, um, are anything in the amplify, um, what potential effect it could have. Correct.

Roland Peralta:

And so, so to conclude, we, we all often say that, uh, and it's, it's not really funny, but, uh, biotin is a prescription for endless hope. And if, you know, if you know, it's not gonna do anything, and the reason why you're being told by your elders at, at teaching hospitals to, to give it to a patient, the argument is, well, it's not gonna hurt them. But the reality is that I think you're hurting a woman when you're giving her false hope. And Le letting her think that six to 12 months of using biotin is gonna lead to a stops, the hair growth. So it's a placebo, right?

Dr. Anil Shah:

In men, it's kind, not men, but women, patients who are older than 40, it can be a little dangerous cuz it can mask, you know, to opponent levels and MI. So on some things we give, I think those are higher doses of biotin. I think smaller doses is really not gonna do that. Uh, but you know, small, but that aspect of it biotin alone. Yeah. I think with other things in a smaller dose I'm I think it makes sense.

Roland Peralta:

So I wanna slide, I wanna get a petition going and, and have, uh, 10,000 dermatologists, uh, right by it, 10 off, uh, from the standard and guidelines because it's still being recommended in, in residency, which is fascinating if you think about it, I mean, you, do you agree as a physician it's absurd to, to, to, to prescribe something that has no evidence of efficacy. Yeah.

Dr. Anil Shah:

I, I've never been a bio 10 fan, but I think the problem is it's such, it's so ubiquitous. Like if you go to a, I think, you know, it's hard not to see it. If you go to the hair and beauty section and you look down the hall and I want to grow something from right here, it's like a thousand labels of bio. Yeah. And then there's nothing else. And I think what happens is sometimes people just look for an option and they don't know. And so it's easy, like, well, bio, it must work. Why is there so many things on it? That's

Roland Peralta:

Right. That's

Dr. Anil Shah:

Right. Um, so it's kind of like, like a default placebo, like it's

Roland Peralta:

Default placebo, that's the best way to describe it. Right.

Dr. Anil Shah:

Um, okay. So, um, going on to, uh, some other ingredients, um, the Marine extract, so this is actually interesting that the foresight in neutrophil, because, uh, there's been some, I'm not gonna name it another brand that, that uses Marine X extract and there's been some controversy using shark, uh, in that. And neutrophil does not use shark. I'm gonna repeat that. So people have that clear. Yeah. Um, and having the foresight to kind of look, you know, kind of beyond just what's healthy for us, but kind of what's healthy for our, our world and our planet. Um, and so let's talk about how that, that came to be and why it's, where it's sourced. Cause I think that's an important quality element.

Roland Peralta:

I, I appreciate that, you know, that actually that, that is that's such an important, uh, part of our ethos sustainability and we're, we continue as a business to evolve in that, in that area. How can we minimize the, the, our footprint on the planet and contribute to role planetary wellness? Right. Um, we actually tested our product using the mass spec device against that other product with the shark, um, component. And we had zero mercury in our, in our, in our collagen versus their product. And part of the reason of course, because shark is a big fish, it's going to accumulate, uh, mercury, we're using Cod sourced from the northernmost tip of the planet. So it's nor it's north of the Northern most tip of Norway. So that, that, that part of the world, uh, it's, it's, it's almost free of, uh, there aren't any shipping lanes, any major shipping lanes that go through there. So there's a lot less pollution that's dropping into the ocean. So, uh, the good news is that we're, we're very proud of the fact that, um, we found Nu mercury in our, in our, our fish collagen. We don't talk about it in our marketing. Um, but, but we know we can actually sleep at night knowing that we are not, uh, contributing to, to, to the, we're not using creating a product that's contributing further to the problem that's ultimately creating, uh, the, the problem. Right. Um,

Dr. Anil Shah:

And so this is the conversation I have with patients. So now I'm like talking to the patient, I'm talking about Nutri, I'm already into like a few products. I'm like, oh wow, it's already 10 minutes in, but it's, I'm excited about the product. Cause it has so many things built to, into it. Did I miss anything, any ingredients? I think there's some things I missed, but I think,

Roland Peralta:

Yeah, so, so we're using a Toren, uh, which is a super vitamin E and that was a, a molecule discovered only in the last, maybe 10 years. And, uh, our partner, uh, is extracting it, it basically vitamin E is a to Torens are 60 times more powerful as an antioxidant. And there was a study done on this particularly ingredient alone. They showed after eight months of use, just lowering lipid peroxidation, uh, they were able to show significant hair growth in a, in a study with men, uh, which is very interesting and, and li peroxidation is just a byproduct of life, right? It's it's oxidative stress. So, um, that, uh, triggers inflammation, et cetera. So boosting your antioxidants essentially the, to trol is an antioxidant, correct? Because it has the ability to boost the, the, the antioxidants in the immune system. So that is a great ingredient with evidence of, of hair growth, uh, as an individual ingredient. Um, we talked about the C kelp, one of the other important, um, uh, um, paths and tar that we look at is, um, an, um, uh, estrogen dominance, right? So C kelp, Corin, all have antiestrogen properties. They can contribute to lowering, uh, elevated estrogen levels caused by xenoestrogens consumption of bottled water, um, soy products. What's that

Dr. Anil Shah:

Sunscreens

Roland Peralta:

Sunscreens,

Dr. Anil Shah:

That's a huge topic because of the absorption of, of so many things and causing those as you know, um, estrogen effects, super big

Roland Peralta:

It's it's big. So those are, um, those are important. We developed our, uh, so again, to, as part of our systems wide approach, we created 12 additional boosters that we designed to increase or boost the efficacy of our core formula, right? So we have the core women's product, uh, clinically studied, proven to work on its own. We have the men study, we're doing a clinical study in Chicago, uh, as we speak, we should be wrapping up enrollment any day now. And then we just introduced a product called women's balance, which is for women in menopause, pre, um, per and post menopause. So

Dr. Anil Shah:

Is that the similar to the core plus, or is that

Roland Peralta:

That's that's basically it, yeah. So we just changed the name from core plus to, to, uh, to women's balance. And that's designed because women, women over the 45, their hormone levels change are very different from women in their twenties and thirties. And so one of the primary, um, uh, uh, uh, reasons why we introduced these additional boosters was because we, we essentially understand that personalization or precision medicine is the wave of the future. If we can, and experience for someone, we have a better shot of succeeding for that unique individual. So our B complex was designed specifically with, with dosages of two particular ingredients that are known to be antiestrogen at the levels that they were introduced. So we're essentially help the liver clear estrogens from the liver, uh, to prevent estrogen dominance, because we know that elevated estrogen can be a breaking mechanism on the hair growth cycle. There's a great paper on estrogen and, and hair follicle biology. And it, there was a fantastic section on how estrogen levels could lead to, uh, shorter antigen phases, which is the growth cycle.

Dr. Anil Shah:

And it's interesting. My wife has more background in hormones than I do, but you you're talking to patients who actually, uh, do testosterone supplements and things of that nature. Um, oftentimes patients are worried about their hair loss, but it's usually not the fact that it's testosterone, it's usually an imbalance with the estrogen testosterone correct aspect. And estrogen's kind of an, kind of been an understated bad player that people have sort of like wrapped it all into DT, but estrogen's playing, playing a stronger role in most people are realizing it's

Roland Peralta:

Exactly right. So, and that's probably because, and you think about women in the last 30 years suddenly have hair problems. My mom growing up in south America said it was, it was rare that you saw women losing her hair today, everywhere you look, there are women with thinning scalps, right? And we leave that stress levels play an important part of that because women in the 21st century have had to step up 20th century. 21st century women have had to step up to become, uh, uh, breadwinners, soul providers, single moms, a lot of pressure to, to, to basically, uh, support themselves, right. And in many cases, um, and also the, the Xeno estrogens from environmental triggers, right. Also contributing to, to, to hair loss, uh, globally. So part of your strategy is how do you lower that? How do you optimize the liver so that the liver, which is the filter for the human body can expel those used estrogen in hormones. One of our key ingredients in our women's, uh, menopause formula is MAA. It's an organized ized MAA, which is another hero ingredient used in traditional medicine. And it's used as a hormone. Sensitizer, it's essentially the conductor for hormone production. If you're producing tumor much testosterone, it helps recalibrate the body and say, Hey, wait a minute, too much testosterone, but not on a progesterone let's change that ratio, which is why Maka used as a, uh, uh, to improve stamina and energy.

Dr. Anil Shah:

And, and my brother, who's an OB GY, actually, he loves Maka for his patients, especially postmenopausal. So, uh, he's a big fan of Maka and he's love

Roland Peralta:

That. Um, so I'm happy to hear that that your whole family is so conscious of, of, of the power of plants because it,

Dr. Anil Shah:

I wouldn't, I wouldn't get my brother too much credit. He drives the pickup truck and he's just part, but he is, uh, he, what he balances out with the Maka, he, uh, has imbalance with his pickup truck in his, his, uh, love of guns, Balancing it out,

Roland Peralta:

As long as he's not telling every woman that comes

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Through his office to buy a gun. I, I, I, I still

Roland Peralta:

Support it.

Dr. Anil Shah:

He's not,

Roland Peralta:

I'm happy to hear that. He's, he's, he's, he's he advocates for the use of Maka and Maka is a fantastic herb.

Dr. Anil Shah:

So for, for me, what, what I do, um, and my wife does most of the, um, the management with women with hair loss. But one of the things that we've talked about and I'm dealing with is when we look with tricho, uh, we'll see distinct patterns of hair loss. And I think in men, it, it's usually a little bit more predictable, but not always, but in women, uh, they can be kind of all over the place. And we'll see some women who are, you know, with, um, uh, with closer with male pattern who are in their twenties and thirties, and some patients who are, have more inflammatory, who are older. So the way I've, um, the way we've talked about using neutrophil is women. And my understanding is that neutrophil plus has more salt Palmetto for

Roland Peralta:

Women. Yes,

Dr. Anil Shah:

That's correct. Yes. And so, um, I view it as almost that little extra way of kind of fighting that, uh, antigen alopecia in women. So if I see miniaturization classic male pattern balls with tricho, I'm gonna go with a women's plus, even if it's younger patient. And if I have an older who has inflammatory changes and a Trico, I'm seeing more inflammation, so more red, more vascularity, I might just go with women rather than women. Plus even though they probably could benefit from that, I still might go that way. Cause I don't see the miniaturization. Uh, is that against company?

Roland Peralta:

No, 100%. No, I, I, and I see it's, it's physicians like you that have the foresight to step out of the box and see, uh, the big picture and understand the benefits of deviating from directions. And as a doctor you're, you are authorized to do that. There's no harm, there's only benefit in using a higher dose for that particular, uh, observation. Um, I would agree with you

Dr. Anil Shah:

Another question on this is, uh, some people don't like swallowing pills. So is there any Nu so any nutritional value in the capsule itself, some people think that there's collagen in the capsule or they're gonna miss out on it. They're like, I need to get my collagen, so I have to do this, or they just jump into the smoothie. What's what's the best factor

Roland Peralta:

Here? No. So there's no nutritional value you in the capsule. We do use vegetarian capsules as opposed to capsules made from bine, uh, BI animal byproducts. Uh, but there's, there's probably negligible, uh, nutritional value in, in the capsules. So yeah. So if you have difficulty swallowing pills, you can either watch a video on YouTube on how to, how to lift up your head, learn how to swallow a pill properly, or you can break your capsules open and put it in a smoothie. Um, there's a little bit of a bitter taste, the sea kelp, uh, it's just sea kelp, uh, little bitter, a little salty, right. But, um, salt Palmetto is, is a little bitter. Uh, Ganta is actually bitter. So Palmetto is less bitter, but, um, you should be able to cover up the taste. If, if you're having a fruit smoothie, we recommend putting, uh, coconut oil or some other fat, uh, maybe an avocado in your smoothie because the more fat, um, the better, uh, you are able to absorb many of the ingredients, a lot of the ingredients are fat soluble. And so you need fat to help absorb that.

Dr. Anil Shah:

And speaking of absorption. So I, uh, recently I've tried the probiotic, um, and actually I'm a big fan of it. I, I was not a probiotic fan before, and I'm, I'm not, I've kind of been off dairy for a little bit, so it's, it's kind of not working well with me, but probiotic, um, uh, this is actually a pretty clever probiotic, cuz the way I describe it is sometimes you have like this uneasiness in your stomach where it feels like it's not like you're stressed or anything. You just feel like this little bit of uneasiness in your stomach. And when I was taking the probiotic, I noticed that I've slept a little better and that I, that little bit of, um, upset and my stomach has seemed to balance out a little bit. Interesting.

Roland Peralta:

So, and, and if you continue to use it, you're going to see that it's only gonna improve. So one of the biggest areas of research in microbiome right now, so we, uh, we developed a thank you for introducing the, the hair bio. So we developed we're the first to market to develop a probiotic designed to support the hair growth cycle. So, um, we, there are a number of pathways that were identified that downregulate the hair growth cycle, uh, because they, they affect I L 17 and on I L 10, two important cytokines that are involved in the inflammation cycle that such used tied back to hair growth, right? So those, uh, particular cytokines can be impacted by particular bacterial strains. So we isolated, uh, we found two out of the seven strains that we're using have that, uh, have, have been shown in literature to target those specific pathways we added.

Roland Peralta:

In addition to those strains, we've added a, what's known as a Alage and the bacteri Fage is, is essentially it's a, a virus it's, it's a, uh, researched, uh, this is part of the whole volume that people are, are investing heavily now where we've been heavily invested in the microbiome. Now it's the volume. How do viruses play a role in contributing to health, the gut? And so these bacteria FAS are designed to essentially, uh, eat destroy bad bacteria. So it's possible that the bacteria FAS and the probiotics are contributing to a healthier gut, so you'll feel less bloated, less, less, um, um, yeah, less, um, discomfort in, in, in the gut. So it doesn't surprise me. That's gonna happen over time. If you continue using the, the neutrophil hair bio, you, you may see a dramatic improvement within a couple of months and that of course contributes to better hair growth.

Dr. Anil Shah:

Absolutely. Um, and I think what's interesting is neutrophil, I think is added this addition, like you mentioned this kind of earlier, this kind of like this customized her plan, um, which I think is an exciting addition. Um, and now there's, there's, there's kind of the, the core formula, which, which helps, you know, most people I say most people mean a sense that women, men and, and the, the exceptions are gonna be maybe those people with bio sensitivities and pregnant women, that aspect. And now you're adding these the little, um, I shouldn't say little, but these boosters that can kind of fine tune it so you can get improvement in certain areas. Um, uh, I'm also interested in the topicals. I'm not sure if you can talk about the topicals in shampoos coming up, cuz I'm really interested in that because right now I use, I'll talk about it now, cause I'm excited about it.

Dr. Anil Shah:

Um, right now I use Rogan. Um, but I don't love using Rogan and I'll tell you why. Um, it, it's not, some people have other issues with scalp irritations, all those aspects of it, even the ones without propylene glyco, the foams, what they do to your hair is it makes it very greasy and it's very hard to style your hair with it. I don't use styling hair products because I'm against inflammation in the hair. I just don't like the, the aspect of it doesn't make sense for me from, um, you know, from a hair preservation standpoint to put, you know, products in your hair, um, that at least that are gonna disturb it. So, uh, there's really no alternative to gain as far as the topical goes. There's some other things that I, I don't know if they they're out there yet, but so I'm excited about neutro follow your take on that. Is there anything, um, you can tell us about the hair topical coming out? Cause that's probably when I saw that I was like, my eyes lit up with excitement.

Roland Peralta:

So yeah, so we, we are introducing a shampoo conditioner and a two and one, and those were, those were developed with, with the, with the intention of creating a product that does no harm. So there's no, there's no evidence of shampoo and conditioners having any efficacy in preventing hair loss. Even though if you go on Amazon, you'll see dozens of brands promoting shampoo for hair loss, right? Impossible that you can put a product on your hair, wash it away two minutes later, uh, expected to have any efficacy, uh, if it maybe contributes to healthier scalp, which ultimately one day may lead to, uh, minimizing hair loss. Right? Uh, so we, we refer to those topicals as our do no harm products. We're using lots of, uh, wonderful botanicals that have anti-inflammatory properties, moisturizing properties, but, but all in all there, there's no such thing as, um, as hair loss, um, uh, in the hair care category, uh, the, the scalp treatment that we're using, we're using again, nutraceutical ingredients that have, uh, anti and these are levs.

Roland Peralta:

So these are, these are Levon that have evidence of stimulating the antigen phase or prolonging the antigen phase. Um, some of the ingredients, uh, act as vasodilators where they they'll open up vocabularies, similar mechanism to a minoxidil, right. But obviously not as potent because these are naturals. So the, the scalp treatment that we developed, uh, there is evidence that the ingredients contributed to hair growth. Uh, so really we're adding it as a, an additional product to compliment your routine, right? We would, we would say don't drop the, the, the, the, the pills, the four pills a day, or the topical, because that's our philosophy, still hair wellness from, within, you have to balance the body, bring the body back to homeostasis before you can actually get the hair cycles back in sync and start producing healthier hair at normal growth rates. Right? So the, the, the topicals are designed to simply compliment, uh, the overall internal, uh, systems wide approach that we have. It's just the inside, outside approach. Really? Yes. I'll make sure we send you some when we get it.

Dr. Anil Shah:

Awesome.

Roland Peralta:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dr. Anil Shah:

And I think this is such a new category, the new, and I think it's, um, something that so many people are so excited about. And it's interesting that lots of physicians, even though they prescribe medication, oftentimes when you talk to them, they don't see the doctor and they don't take medications. So it tells you on some level that maybe on some subconscious level, they know that they don't want to take medications. And from a myself, for example, I was found to have at least in one test, low thyroid, and I was like, I'm not taking that thyroid folks. I'll be taking it for the rest of my life. So let me just check that out. And so, um, um, I, again, um, just kind of saying, I'll just avoid taking that medication. I'll work on some other things and that aspect of it, my thyroid's normal, otherwise I'd be on centroid cuz once you take a medication like that, it, it does work, but you end up kind of relegated to taking it the rest of your life. Correct? Correct. And there are patients, I'm not against medicine. There are patients who have to take medications, but if you're talking about wellness and keeping the best performance for yourself, if you can avoid taking a medication for that aspect, it makes a lot of sense to me

Roland Peralta:

Agree. Now, are, is there a thyroid functioning normally now?

Dr. Anil Shah:

Uh, it is, uh, my wife would probably rather have me on Propecia, less sex drive and more sluggish and living her alone. But, um, I

Roland Peralta:

That's a C hysterical. So, so on that note, you'll appreciate this. So many of the ingredients, the botanicals that we use are, but loose nitric oxide production. And did you know, so that's, that's essentially a vaso. I not know

Dr. Anil Shah:

That, but

Roland Peralta:

They're basically is a vasodilator. Right. And did you know that Viagra doesn't work if you have low nitric oxide production?

Dr. Anil Shah:

So I, I definitely know the Viagra nitric oxide connection, but I didn't, I didn't have that with neutrophil, but, um, so, but I, I might change the symbol from a circle to something maybe perhaps a little bit more, uh, phallic is that

Roland Peralta:

I'll, I'll let you send it in for creative to have a look at, but, but earlier you said that, uh, so yeah, so in, in traditional medicine saw Palmetto was used as an ADI boost libido, right. And Saul, Palmetto definitely boosts nitric oxide production. So when you think of it from a mechanism of action, that has to be the explanation, right? That, that GaN, the Corin all act as vasodilators through the increase of, of nitric oxide production, which is a very interesting little fact.

Dr. Anil Shah:

And, and, and so hair health, and I think some patients come into the office and it's always about, for example, if it's a surgical procedure or if it's a pill, I always like to set expectations for patients. And so, uh, sometimes you'll hear someone saying, you know, I tried something and I tried it for like three days and I didn't see anything. And I'm like, oh my God, okay. First all let's kinda, let's reset things a little bit. And I think that's why I think having that explanation and having, making sure people know, and I'm glad it's being sold in pack of three now, instead of one, because, um, oftentimes with anything, with any nutritional supplement, you're not gonna see something in a week gonna be kind of one of those aspects of it and it's beyond just hair health. So I think when I think of hair, I think of it almost like there's two analogies.

Dr. Anil Shah:

One is like, uh, uh, aging, there's no solution to aging. It's just, you're putting the brakes on everything. And no matter what you do for hair, if you, you do nothing for your hair, you will be bald. It's like, it's one of those things at 50% of the men at, uh, 50 are balded. If you do 70, 70% of the men, your natural tendency is to be balded. And it it's just without a doubt. So you have to put the breaks on this. And as much as you can, as early as you can, you have to promote hair health and those aspects, some men are, are gonna get reversal. A lot of the miniature hairs are gonna come back. But if you waited too long, if you have a Norwood for patients who don't know what Norwood six is, especially if you're completely bald, um, you, no one in the world can grow hair back.

Dr. Anil Shah:

That's it's scarred your hair. You have to kind of that's right. You you're actually be on even a hair transplant at some point, right? So, um, you have to start this early. So for, for the men who are thinking of this, this is the preventive action. You're gonna feel better. Um, so, um, patient expectations kind of setting this back is you should feel better. This is my thoughts on this. You should be healthier, which I think all those things happen with it. And you should see your hair should actually at the very least have less shedding. And you might see some areas, particularly I think in the crown, starting to come back some, all the miniature hairs coming back, some fair analysis.

Roland Peralta:

Very fair. Very fair. So, yeah, so that this is this part of our challenge as a company is, is communicating to men, the importance of taking the path of prevention and getting off the path of denial. Right? And that's fundamentally the problem with men. I have a 23 year old boy who went to school in Sweden. I get to see him once a year and, uh, year three, he comes back and he's got a little, a little spot brewing on the back of his head. I thought, uhoh, my child cannot lose his hair. So, and he's these stubborn kid. He doesn't take pills. And so, uh, I said, all right, how do, how do I, uh, compel him into compliance and, and say, yes, Papa, I, I will take these pills because it does make sense to be proactive and preventative because I don't wanna lose my hair by the time I'm 30. So he has been on it for about a year, the spot filled in and for a 23 year old, that's a home run. He basically proof is in the pudding. It's like, you, you cannot, there's no denying that. It, it improved your hair growth.

Dr. Anil Shah:

And I, I almost think the analogy here for hair is almost like it's like dental disease. If you don't brush your teeth every day, you're going to lose your teeth. It's just, that's inevitable. If you don't take your hair pills, you're gonna lose your hair. It's like one of those things you're, you're preserving what's there. And sometimes that aspect of it, uh, by the way, I'm, I'm so much your son's a great because if your son was to take Propecia, would it have worked? I have no idea. Would it have affected him on some level? Probably would it affected his offspring, AKA your grandkids who knows, who wants to take that chance? Um, taking something like neutrophil, if anything is gonna make him healthier, uh, better version of HIMS, self Le, more resistant to infections, um, you know, more vibrancy, uh, the nitric oxide thing. You might wanna have a serious conversation with him, but

Roland Peralta:

I, I left that part out. I don't know why I left that part out. I'll send him a

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Note later today. That's very funny. He'll appreciate that.

Dr. Anil Shah:

So huge, huge fan. Um, so, so, uh, love this. So three tips, I'm, I'm a facial plastic surgeon loves hair. I've had my hair story. My wife's not here to share her hair story. Um, love Nero, fall love how it's a holistic approach to my patients. Love how it helps them see those benefits and patients, you know, every day, see it on a microscopic level with tricho see it in their care, see it in their before and after results. Um, three tips patients, someone comes to, you says, I want three tips to be my best. Just random tips can be anything. Um, we can kind of look at that note. So,

Roland Peralta:

So, so the tips could be lifestyle related, right? Yeah,

Dr. Anil Shah:

Absolutely. Anything. Right.

Roland Peralta:

So I, I recently started intermittent fasting. Oh,

Dr. Anil Shah:

I do that too. What, what are your hours

Roland Peralta:

I'm doing? I do 16, eight, and then I do 24. Right? So I'm BAS I have lunch from, from two. I eat from two to six, typically my last meal's at six, and then I have lunch at, at two o'clock, but, um, and I'm doing it in the name of it's part of the biohacking mindset, right? So it turns out that intermittent fasting, but the longer you fast, the, the better the outcome I'm triggering auto. So the, the human body has the, these little li lysosomes or human vacuum cleaners on a cellular level that are designed to basically start eating a non-essential in the human body that interfere with, with healthy cellular function. Well, it turns out that you can make a direct correlation to hair follicle, cycling and, and, and cells that are involved in, in the hair growth cycle, triggering a top Fiji where the body starts eating itself after a 24 to four day eight hour fasting is they, they go in there and they clean up all of the oxidative stress and, and not essential parts, convert them into amino acids. And they turn them into, into functional functionable, uh, um, uh, uh, foods, right. For, for the, the human body. So I'm doing that intermittent fasting in the, in the spirit of improving health and as, uh, consequently my hair health.

Dr. Anil Shah:

The question on that, that was one of my questions is so, um, the hardest part for me with, with internet and fasting is I did a 16, eight. Um, so usually I skip breakfast, so to speak, but I, I like taking my neutral box. I have to take it with fat. Um, and, um, in the morning,

Roland Peralta:

No, take it with lunch

Dr. Anil Shah:

Lunch. Um, yeah, it's probably a better idea

Roland Peralta:

Because if you're not having breakfast, if you're not having breakfast, you'd rather say take your four pills a day with, with lunch or dinner, whichever is your fattiest meal. But if you wanna stick you to create a routine and, and, and absolutely drive people in compliance, you keep a bottle on your desk at the office because you're probably eating at your desk three days a week, uh, or five days a week, or because you're probably seeing patients, uh, when you're not eating at your desk, um, or keep one in the kitchen, actually,

Dr. Anil Shah:

I have a desk, but

Roland Peralta:

You don't really, I got rid

Dr. Anil Shah:

Of desk like five don't, like head desk desk is so like, um, I don't know. It's like eighties, uh, yeah. Cause you on a level it's kinda like, you know, talk, show hostess, like, you know, you put your seat up high, then you have the other feet low and then you, I just don't like a desk. So I just have a couch lucky

Roland Peralta:

Here. Lucky. See. Yeah. So I would definitely, but, but do, do do your best to take with a fatty meal with, with one of your meals that has the most fat. Yeah.

Dr. Anil Shah:

Okay.

Roland Peralta:

Um, the next, the next, uh, uh, tip, I would say is really embrace the idea of how important your liver, uh, is to your overall health and consequently to your hair. Wellness liver is really important. So there have been studies that show that, uh, people who take, who, uh, when you compare people who, uh, took a break from all alcohol for 30 days, some of the liver enzymes liver function improved dramatically versus the people who continue to drink. So, as we know how important liver is to hair, health, hair, wellness, hair cycling, it makes so much sense to really pamper the liver, uh, include products like the neutral liver cleanse. If you have your own favorite liver cleanse product, by all means, use it, uh, but use it, do anything you can and to support, uh, the liver it's it's, it is the filter for the human body, the cleaner, and the more optimized it is, the better we will be functioning a a as humans, uh, very, very important.

Roland Peralta:

And then the other is managing stress, um, managing stress through perhaps that's a, that's a, the other best tip of the day is really how do you manage stress? Well, certainly yoga meditation, a mindfulness practice, all help, but of course, we live in a society where we don't all have the, the, the discipline to carve out time to go to the gym, to do a yoga class, to meditate. So stress adaptogens are a wonderful way of supporting, supporting stress management. We introduced as, you know, neutrophil does have stress adaptogens in it, but we introduced a booster that we're, that's an additional stress agen for people who have higher stress levels and we're using Rahi mushrooms, uh, some additional aganda, uh, these are all wonderful ingredients that have evidence in the literature of lowering stress levels. So those are my,

Dr. Anil Shah:

That too.

Roland Peralta:

I absolutely, I would highly recommend having a stress adaptogen in your routine, a liver cleanse in your routine and, and something as simple as intermittent fasting, all would contribute to her overall good hair. Well, wellness,

Dr. Anil Shah:

Amazing. So, so much amazing things. I probably could talk for another hour, but you probably let's

Roland Peralta:

Do it again.

Dr. Anil Shah:

Um, and I think the coolest thing my take on point is, you know, sometimes it's nice to do, like you type people like get kind of lost in this world of hair, and they're doing all this research and what's the best. What's not the best. And I think it's nice to have a company that's sort of done a best of and thought, you know, kind of very thoughtfully in so many different levels of what's the best way to get so many quality ingredients. Let's do the best way of thinking about it. Even the way we process our soft homeo, uh, the way we get our co I mean, there's so many different things that are thought in this, Hey, let's get some science, uh, behind this, because this is a really important thing about it. And this is not just about your hair, uh, because your hair, your hair and your skin, but your hair, it's a sign of your health, your overall health, your attractiveness, and that's what makes this human to be the best version of ourselves. So I think it's, it's great for what you've done with Nero. Um, thank you so much for me, as, you know, as a user of Nutri fall and for all my patients.

Roland Peralta:

Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that very much.

Dr. Anil Shah:

And thanks so much for being on here and, uh, educating me what, what I was doing wrong with my Neol and now I've gotta move to and all that.

Roland Peralta:

I've had a wonderful time. Dr. Saw, thank you for inviting me. Thank

Dr. Anil Shah:

You. Thank you so much. We

Roland Peralta:

Appreciate. Thank you. Bye bye. Bye

Dr. Anil Shah:

Bye.